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Amon Warrior · Apr 28, 2009, 06:12 PM // 18:12

@Arkantos

If I recall correctly, the items GW had for the hardcore gamer were purely aesthetic. Any kind of player had equal footing with the function of an item: I'd get a no-thrills sword and the hardcore gamer could get one with a rarer skin in the elite areas. However, the damage and attributes would be the same.

Twenty slots is better to carry stuff than five, ten or fifteen. There's an advantage here. Heck, Anet is selling extra storage space because it's something most people want.

If Anet wants to cater to the hardcore gamer, then offer a 20-slot pack that's uber beautiful and sends fireworks up in the air at the player's command. Have a no-thrills version, with the same quantity of slots, that can be acquired by the rest of us common players.

I wouldn't be "QQing" if the difference was only because of appearance.

Tharg · Apr 28, 2009, 06:13 PM // 18:13

I don't think that the 'Zcoin bug' is a bug. I suspect Anet wants you to earn the equipment bag for each character seperately

kupp · Apr 28, 2009, 06:20 PM // 18:20

I'm hoping anet changes this in the future, and I'd love to have Regina or someone else to come here and tell us if they've been listening to us regarding this and if there's any plans for changing the reqs. for the bags in the future. But for some reason, I doubt that.

TheodenKing · Apr 28, 2009, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by EPO Bot

Just like going out with another girl every night is not grind.

Sure it is... at least in my case!

Seriously, though... once they fix the bug where you can't share coins between characters on the same account, it really won't be so bad. The thing I like the most about this addition to the game is it has given new life to areas that have been like ghost towns previously.

Doing the Deep in HM was a blast. Rragar's without having to pay for a run... good stuff.

MithranArkanere · Apr 28, 2009, 06:30 PM // 18:30

There are some items with fair prices. But some need a bit of tweaking. Some of those items take too much coins considering their usefulness and pressing need for them by many players, but the rest are just fine.

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Originally Posted by tvalentijn

I don't think that the 'Zcoin bug' is a bug. I suspect Anet wants you to earn the equipment bag for each character seperately

They have stated that they can't make ZQuests account-wide although they wanted to, and that the ZCoin zing - I mean - thing with the Storage is a bug that will get eventually fixed.

wetwillyhip · Apr 28, 2009, 06:39 PM // 18:39

i concur 100% with OP! Lets hope they reduce it too. I have 12 characters in need of 20slot equip packs, so i could replay the zquests up to 12 times, but I don't want to do that! that's theoretically the same as grind.

Amon Warrior · Apr 28, 2009, 06:41 PM // 18:41

Mithran! Long time no see!

Still around and the more wiser, I s... err... visualize

MirkoTeran · Apr 28, 2009, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by wetwillyhip

i concur 100% with OP! Lets hope they reduce it too. I have 12 characters in need of 20slot equip packs, so i could replay the zquests up to 12 times, but I don't want to do that! that's theoretically the same as grind.

Oh, ok...

Prices are just fine the way they are.

Crimzon_DST · Apr 28, 2009, 06:44 PM // 18:44

I like the new additions to the game..but i agree with some that the amount for the larger bags is way off base. Say you are trying to get one for each char on your acct.....see how many months it takes. Should'nt be that time consuming. I for one have many chars all of which have several armor sets and weapon sets so the bags would be useful but not really possible in any reasonable amount of time.

xron · Apr 28, 2009, 06:45 PM // 18:45

I'm just going to enjoy the various quests and bounties that they offer, some of which I'll need on a character or another anyway....

enjoy having the variety.... something thrown up which I would never have thought of doing otherwise.

So I'll do those quests I fancy, and when I happen to have the coins I need I'll opt to buy a couple of 15 slots for my main chars.

Have managed without until now, and now have extra storage, plus 5 slot bags so.... I can live :P

Shadowhaze · Apr 28, 2009, 06:50 PM // 18:50

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Originally Posted by Crimzon_DST

I like the new additions to the game..but i agree with some that the amount for the larger bags is way off base. Say you are trying to get one for each char on your acct.....see how many months it takes. Should'nt be that time consuming. I for one have many chars all of which have several armor sets and weapon sets so the bags would be useful but not really possible in any reasonable amount of time.

Agreed. I also have many chars that I enjoy playing and each have various armors/weapons. A larger bag would be most helpful, but it'll be ages before I get even one. lol. I hope they do look into that and a few of the other items and adjust them somehow.

Tullzinski · Apr 28, 2009, 06:58 PM // 18:58

I would agree with people who say it is not grinding IF they only play one character a day and only do the zaishen quests with that one character, since it probably has been a long time since people have done XYZ quest or killed whatever boss/did whatever pvp. However this will take you a long time to get certain bags.

If you have multiple characters, as the majority of us do, you can end up doing the same quest/bounty/pvp battle 2-15 times in a day. (if you are trying to speed up the process)

Which you have done:
In normal mode the first time you played the game
And again when Hard Mode was added.
And again for whatever titles required you to kill the same guys/get skills
And again to complete the new books that were added
And again to complete the new books in hard mode
And again to get the equipment pack
This is over 2-15 different characters AND THEN you can add to that multiple accounts.

IMHO This is grind. By my count this is the 6th time you have been asked to repeat the same content. True that it is optional to do, but if you want to reach whatever milestone/get an item you end up doing it.

Not worth it at this point, Bought the Small EP's and moved on since I am still working on grinding other things.

Feel free to add other things I may have missed.

Yawgmoth · Apr 28, 2009, 06:58 PM // 18:58

It's not grind, there are lots of quests you can do on many chars and pick only ones you like. Huge variety and complete freedom. And the cost of the biggest packs is high to make sure people will have something to do for the next months and probably even forever - getting 20slot packs for all chars will take a lot of time and even if you manage to do that, they will be still worth getting just to sell them.

Apollo Smile · Apr 28, 2009, 07:02 PM // 19:02

I agree that they are too expensive but I don't exactly agree to zquests being refered to as grind. If doing different areas/missions and different modes of PVP each day is "grind" then I think you need a break from Guild Wars.

Alleji · Apr 28, 2009, 07:05 PM // 19:05

Wow, people. Stop QQing and just get the 10-slot bags.

They are cheap, I already have two (would have 3 if I could combined the coins on different characters) and I'm perfectly happy with them. It's a nice boost to storage.

20-slotters are a luxury. If you don't like the "grind" don't do it. You'll have an option of forking over 100k+xx ectos in a few weeks when people will get them and start selling.

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Apr 28, 2009, 07:10 PM // 19:10

It isn't actually that bad. I've got about 1k Copper gold now and really haven't spent more than 2 hours doing it.

The funny thing is I don't even want the coins that much, I was just doing the PvP quests for the loleasy faction, and some of the very easy boss kills, which take no more than 15mins.

Amon Warrior · Apr 28, 2009, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

And the cost of the biggest packs is high to make sure people will have something to do for the next months and probably even forever

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Jessie Llam's tradable Zaishen gold coins

Zaishen Key............... 1 Gold Zaishen Coin..... 100 Gold
Light Equipment Pack... 1 Gold Zaishen Coin..... 100 Gold
Large Equipment Pack.. 5 Gold Zaishen Coin..... 100 Gold
Heavy Equipment Pack. 15 Gold Zaishen Coin.... 100 Gold
Elite Assassin Tome..... 2 Gold Zaishen Coin..... 100 Gold
Elite Mesmer Tome...... 2 Gold Zaishen Coin..... 100 Gold
Elite Elem Tome.......... 2 Gold Zaishen Coin..... 100 Gold
Elite Warrior Tome....... 2 Gold Zaishen Coin..... 100 Gold
Elite Dervish Tome....... 2 Gold Zaishen Coin..... 100 Gold
Elite Paragon Tome...... 2 Gold Zaishen Coin..... 100 Gold
Elite Ranger Tome....... 2 Gold Zaishen Coin..... 100 Gold
Elite Necro Tome......... 2 Gold Zaishen Coin..... 100 Gold
Elite Ritualist Tome...... 2 Gold Zaishen Coin..... 100 Gold
Elite Monk Tome......... 2 Gold Zaishen Coin...... 100 Gold
Ev.Crate of Fireworks.. 50 Gold Zaishen Coin.... 100 Gold

Now, isn't there enough stuff to do for the next months or forever, besides the equipment packs?

How about moving the packs to Pokhe, for silver coins?

Sjeng · Apr 28, 2009, 07:14 PM // 19:14

I also feel 7500 coppers is to much for a max bag, but then again, that does get people together doing stuff again. But gaining 7500 coppers for a bag on all my 11 characters, and perhaps some on mules, is impossible for me :'(
I'll guess I'll have to buy the 2.5k ones for now.

Eddie Frenzy Spam · Apr 28, 2009, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by Amon Warrior

@Arkantos

If I recall correctly, the items GW had for the hardcore gamer were purely aesthetic. Any kind of player had equal footing with the function of an item: I'd get a no-thrills sword and the hardcore gamer could get one with a rarer skin in the elite areas. However, the damage and attributes would be the same.

Twenty slots is better to carry stuff than five, ten or fifteen. There's an advantage here. Heck, Anet is selling extra storage space because it's something most people want.

If Anet wants to cater to the hardcore gamer, then offer a 20-slot pack that's uber beautiful and sends fireworks up in the air at the player's command. Have a no-thrills version, with the same quantity of slots, that can be acquired by the rest of us common players.

I wouldn't be "QQing" if the difference was only because of appearance.

There is still not an advantage in terms of skill/the power of your equipment. 20 extra storage slots does not make you instantly better than someone who does not have them, it doesn't make you better at all. All it does is mean someone can hold a bit more loot than you and all that will do is give you a bit more gold per time spent, which again complies with anets policy of equal skill blah blah blah, hardcore players SHOULD be able to make more money than casual players.

As like you said yourself, the only things hardcore players get is weapons with pretty looks and that is all a vast amount of gold is going to be able to get you. Everything you actually need costs less than 10k, with the exception of Superior Vigor.

Amon Warrior · Apr 28, 2009, 07:56 PM // 19:56

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

I agree that they are too expensive but I don't exactly agree to zquests being refered to as grind.

Making a useful item too expensive to get is what's in question.

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Originally Posted by eddie the reaper

There is still not an advantage in terms of skill/the power of your equipment. 20 extra storage slots does not make you instantly better than someone who does not have them (...) All it does is mean someone can hold a bit more loot than you and all that will do is give you a bit more gold per time spent.

Backpack (20) + belt pouch (5) + bags (20) = 45 slots

Wouldn't you feel the difference if you would go on a mission without the belt pouch?

My point is that being able to carry a bit more gives you an advantage; not of power or skill, but of storage.